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00:24:59 [AnthonyB] You're welcome to carry on here as long as you want, everyone - but homework calls... 
Good first chat!! (At least, I hope you thought it was as much as I did.) Fun!
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00:23:38 [brittany] gnite folks!
00:23:38 [ilana] bye
00:23:36 [ilana] time to go read more of the odyssey
00:23:24 [ilana] i'll see you all in lecture
00:23:12 [ilana] thanks
00:22:36 [AnthonyB] good question, Ilana. And what about Agamemnon? anyone know whether he was? (That's for later!)
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00:22:30 [Devon22] Thanks Prof. Bulloch... good night everyone!
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00:22:25 [smlwong] odysseus is penelope's husband
00:21:50 [brittany] not he is her husband
00:21:45 [AnthonyB] and it's where things should be at the beginning: up in the air. Watch those juggle-stcks closely....
00:21:34 [ilana] wasnt odysseus one of helen's suitors?
00:21:03 [AnthonyB] Alright - I know we've got a lot of things up in the air at the moment, but we're well over our hour here. I'd better go and prepare some classes and things for the coming week.....
00:20:00 [MaryEllen] Clytemnestra commits murder, but then again, Helen causes the deaths of many more...
00:19:54 [AnthonyB] Hey! dhaugen pointed to Orestes and Telemachus a few minutes ago! Another one worth following...
00:19:03 [brittany] life or death?
00:18:59 [AnthonyB] (definitely follow that one Ilana!)
00:18:32 [brittany] another pair?
00:18:27 [AnthonyB] Would you rather be Agamemnon or Menelaus? and Helen or Clytemnestra?
00:18:11 [ilana] helen was penelope's cousin
00:17:50 [brittany] helen succomed to her kidnapper while penelope found ways to trick her suitors?
00:17:26 [AnthonyB] Yes, they do. Worth bearing in mind, also, that the divisions into 'books' may not have been done until 300 BC or later...
00:17:11 [ilana] helen ran off with paris but penelope waited 20 years for odysseus
00:16:41 [AnthonyB] MaryEllen had an important point: Penelope! Look at the contrast between her and Helen....
00:16:29 [smlwong] in greek
00:16:07 [smlwong] one of my old high school teachers also pointed out to me that in the Odyssey, certain chapters start with the exact same words
00:15:22 [AnthonyB] Yes, Devon! And Iphigeneia, and Clytemnestra, and others, see it that way too.
00:14:55 [brittany] and agamemmnon dying later by his wifes hand
00:14:39 [AnthonyB] Yes!
00:14:30 [AnthonyB] [BTW, I apologise for not being able to use your actual names. If you click on the little figure icon you can do a whois - but that's not working for me right now...]
00:14:28 [brittany] those pairs
00:14:22 [Devon22] about events, there is the sacrifice of Agamemnon's daughter in order to rescue Helen (loss for a gain)
00:14:21 [smlwong] and both paris and achilles were killed by arrow, i think
00:14:20 [dhaugen] What about Orestes revenge and Telemachos quest for his father
00:14:11 [smlwong] well, there's the whole thing with hector killing patroclus, acchilles killing hector, paris killing achilles, and then paris getting killed
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00:13:32 [brittany] what "paired events"?
00:13:29 [MaryEllen] Clymenstra seems to be a foil for Penelope, her unfaithfulness contrasted with Penelope's loyalty
00:13:06 [AnthonyB] Good point, smlwong! What about paired events?!
00:12:39 [AnthonyB] Hey, Bill! Welcome back! I didn't see you leave...
00:12:05 [AnthonyB] [We're just exploring what kinds of things 'duality' and pairing might be doing...]
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00:11:40 [smlwong] are we only looking at pairs of people, or just pairs in general (like events)?
00:11:36 [AnthonyB] What might be being expressed by having those two be sisters of one another?
00:11:23 [MaryEllen] Both sisters were disloyal, there is something, however, about Helen being deceptive during the Trojan horse scene (calling out in the voices of their wives) that makes me wonder if Helen really hated being with Paris, and Clymennestra may have been furious with Agamemnon for sacrificing Ifigenia
00:11:16 [AnthonyB] OK: so let's examine the sisters, maybe. (Not as possible daughters, but as sisters.)
00:11:13 [brittany] .....back to categories......
00:10:38 [AnthonyB] (Don't beg the question, Brittany!)
00:10:17 [AnthonyB] Then we find that there are quite a lot of pairs.... including two sisters, two brother, two close friends etc.
00:09:53 [brittany] is zeus the father mythically and in actuallity it is tendrius?
00:09:38 [AnthonyB] Well, if we back away one or two steps, we might then ask 'Is that the right way to frame the question?' and a good way to look for the answer to that might be to look for what categor(ies) the dual parentage phenomenon might be a member of....
00:09:35 [kosaki] wasn't it zeus?
00:09:34 [stask] ???
00:09:21 [kosaki] stask> ah...sorry wasn't here for that
00:09:18 [brittany] helen kosaki
00:09:12 [ilana] actual father of helen
00:08:51 [kosaki] stask> actual father of who?
00:08:09 [AnthonyB] let me put it this way, very tentatively for the moment: we started by asking 'Well which of these two was the actual father?' - right?
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00:07:19 [stask] Ahh, that's what you mean by intentionally vague
00:07:11 [brittany] we should have more evidence b4 tring to come to any conclusions
00:06:30 [AnthonyB] is there a line? *should* we draw one? and should we decide whether or not to draw one before we've pulled in a bunch more specimens?
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00:05:51 [brittany] paris was the start of the was and hector the ending?
00:05:43 [kosaki] i thought myth was an interpretation of a history, of the truth
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00:05:22 [brittany] line*
00:05:21 [AnthonyB] [BTW, Ilana mentioned Hector and Paris earlier.]
00:05:15 [brittany] draw
00:05:04 [kosaki] hahaha
00:05:01 [brittany] how do u drw the mine between myth and history.....
00:04:57 [jhandcock] Weren't the Titans 6 brothers and 6 sisters who mated?
00:04:46 [AnthonyB] I know - bad form, what!
00:04:20 [brittany] awww
00:04:06 [AnthonyB] maybe I'm being intentionally vague/abstract??
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00:03:48 [jhandcock] THE TITANS
00:03:21 [AnthonyB] The latter were 'real' figures, but obviously the way they thought about themselves, and the way others perceived them, was very influenced by the way the Trojan War mythology worked...
00:02:49 [ilana] what do you mean by categories?
00:02:28 [AnthonyB] shall I add, even, to Achilles and Patroclus, Alexander and Hephaestion?
00:01:48 [AnthonyB] OK: what might it signify that those two brothers married those two sisters? and are there other examples of whatever categories these specific myths may be members of?
00:01:22 [kosaki] ah...thanks
00:01:11 [ilana] helen and clytemnestra are sisters
00:01:04 [jhandcock] The 12 gods.
00:01:01 [ilana] menelaus marries helen and agamemnon clytemnestra
00:00:56 [AnthonyB] Yes, Devon!
00:00:44 [AnthonyB] 'pairs' as in the broad sense: doublets, paired figures, anitheses/polarities etc.
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00:00:31 [brittany] the sisters married the brothers
00:00:30 [jhandcock] sister
00:00:21 [jenny_L] they married sisters
00:00:20 [Devon22] Achilles and Patroclus
00:00:18 [kosaki] iphegenia?
00:00:15 [al] aphrodite and eros?
00:00:14 [brittany] melenlaos, helen and agamemnon clytemnestra
00:00:00 [AnthonyB] keep throwing....
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23:59:55 [jenny_L] even hera and zeus are siblings
23:59:49 [kosaki] pairs as in man-man or woman-man? what is the topic here?
23:59:46 [AnthonyB] Yes, Menelaus and Agamemnon are brothers. And who did they martry?
23:59:22 [ilana] hector and paris
23:59:16 [brittany] just thowing things out there prof.
23:59:05 [AnthonyB] We've actually had a few other 'pairs' even in the first week....
23:59:02 [brittany] does ti throw off the balance of gods and men
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23:58:58 [stask] Hello
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23:58:42 [MaryEllen] Agamemnon and Menelaos- brothers?
23:58:41 [AnthonyB] Chaos, Brittany?
23:58:24 [ilana] gods and men intermingle
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23:58:01 [brittany] it causes chaos
23:57:56 [AnthonyB] Hi there, stask! Welcome!
23:57:49 [msn] The fine line between Gods and Royalty?
23:57:46 [AnthonyB] What does all this pairing do? What's the effect? for our (Greek) way of thinking about things?
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23:56:54 [AnthonyB] Yes, Brittany! al!
23:56:41 [jhandcock] It seems to be a question of mortality; the intermingling of the gods and man. But that's obvious; what are we missing?!
23:56:36 [AnthonyB] Oh yes, maternity is very important. But I'm thinking go beyond just parentage matters
23:56:35 [dhaugen] instant rivals
23:56:28 [kosaki] tru, but does it mean that they CARE about them more as molly stated
23:56:28 [dhaugen] We have varying alleigances
23:56:28 [al] menelaus and agamemnon
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23:56:21 [brittany] apollo and artemis...
23:55:45 [AnthonyB] Look at what we've had so far: Helen, two fathers; Heracles ditto; Theseus ditto; Helen and Clytemnestra, two sisters,.... : any others?
23:55:45 [kosaki] ai...same mistake
23:55:38 [brittany] ohh the colors....
23:55:24 [kosaki] huh? maternal lines?
23:55:20 [jhandcock] They are, presumably, easier to track.
23:54:53 [mollyhalv] the greeks care more about maternal lines?
23:54:45 [Devon22] yeah, sorry it was a mistake..oops!
23:54:21 [AnthonyB] Devon: couldn't read that light green type for a moment! Yes.
23:53:48 [AnthonyB] Yes - same phenomenon
23:53:37 [Devon22] haha ok... it was worth a shot
23:53:33 [AnthonyB] We've got (already and at least) three figures where there are two 'fathers' in the picture - is this several instances of messy parentage questions, or is it part of something else?
23:53:12 [dhaugen] not greek but same idea
23:53:06 [dhaugen] strange parallel
23:53:00 [dhaugen] Jesus Christ
23:52:47 [Devon22] dualism?
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23:52:20 [AnthonyB] Yes, Brittany and Ilana.
23:52:01 [AnthonyB] Before we think of asking the question 'Which one was actually the father?', how about broadening it out and asking what larger phenomenon/motif this may be a part of?
23:51:47 [G1Lee] hello
23:51:46 [ilana] theseus had 2 fathers, poseidon and aegeus the king of athens
23:51:36 [monika] hi everyone
23:51:05 [AnthonyB] Hi there, G1 and Monika! Welcome!
23:50:48 [AnthonyB] OK: I want to keep you on the topic of double parents....
23:50:29 [brittany] posiedons son?
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23:49:51 [AnthonyB] OK, another one: Theseus. (We'll be looking at Heracles and Theseus later in the semester, of course)
23:49:25 [al] carl jung!
23:49:22 [brittany] aigisthos clytemnestras lover helps her then orestes kills him and her
23:48:54 [mollyhalv] Bring on the Electra complex...
23:48:27 [AnthonyB] yes, definitely a thickening plot... keep going...
23:48:00 [brittany] ok then clytmnestra, marries agammemnon, kills him....hmmmm plot thickend
23:47:58 [AnthonyB] (Anyone like to summarise?!)
23:47:26 [smlwong] what's the topic, exactly?
23:47:18 [AnthonyB] Yes - Helen and Clytemnestra are sisters. And Tyndareus and Zeus are the two fathers - of.... [Pursue the parallel of Heracles, someone]
23:47:12 [brittany] yes jenny
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23:46:07 [jenny_L] so were both helen and hercules fathered by Zeus?
23:46:05 [AnthonyB] Yes, at that point Disney missed the poiint/got it wrong.... 
23:46:05 [jhandcock] yes, clytemnestra was one
23:45:30 [hliu04] not really sure about this one but....castor and pollux
23:45:24 [Devon22] hello
23:45:11 [mollyhalv] In the Disney version, Hera was the mother.
23:45:10 [AnthonyB] hi there, Devon! Welcome!
23:45:10 [brittany] ...was clytemnestra the other twin from Leda anyone???
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23:44:52 [AnthonyB] Any others?
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23:44:37 [brittany] YEAH!!!!
23:44:21 [AnthonyB] Hey, Brittany! One of the (not very many) things Disney gets right!
23:43:47 [brittany] hercules....maybe...from what disney tells me......
23:43:13 [al] sometimes the gods take their children
23:42:57 [AnthonyB] (Talking about parentage - though the question could equally well apply to the motif of rape/abduction)
23:42:53 [brittany] so was the other child?
23:42:22 [AnthonyB] Can anyone think of any other examples of this?
23:42:17 [brittany] so they will except any child as theirs no matter what?
23:42:11 [jhandcock] Helen's mother, Leda, was seduced by Zeus. The same night she was impregnated by her husband, Tyndareus. She produced two eggs, and both contained twins, I believe.
23:42:06 [AnthonyB] Let's first suspend our own preconceptions, and see if we can identify the phenomenon...
23:42:00 [MaryEllen] I wonder if rape may, in some way, address the violent component of sexuality, even in loving sexuality
23:41:30 [jenny_L] so to the Greeks, the identity of the parent is not as important?
23:41:05 [brittany] they have multiple parents?
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23:40:54 [AnthonyB] Bill, go ahead...
23:40:54 [brittany] un huh
23:40:46 [wmshort] If anyone is interested, I can bring the article in.
23:40:37 [AnthonyB] Here's an interesting point: to our way of figuring things, it's important that we know Who (singular) the father or mother is, right?
23:39:52 [wmshort] You know, there is actually an article by Andrew Stewart (one of our own professors) precisely on the topic of rape in myth.
23:39:38 [CrystalC.] i thought it was Tyndareus
23:39:27 [AnthonyB] OK: to Helen's father?
23:39:02 [ilana] i've been browsing the "who's who in greek mythology"
23:39:00 [AnthonyB] To answer MaryEllen's question earlier: Cliff Notes will take you only so far. And what they won't do is take you to the underlying structure of myth - *why* things are as they are....
23:38:44 [brittany] figures only a child of zeus could be called the most beautiful
23:38:21 [brittany] for sure?
23:38:06 [ilana] it was zeus
23:38:02 [MaryEllen] Well, let's face it, the god's are not exactly rational, that is what makes them so interesting
23:37:57 [brittany] ok what about Helen's father??!!!
23:37:43 [AnthonyB] Yes, Molly. And there are still quite a lot of cultures today who have similar values
23:37:12 [brittany] i guess she figures that he has suffered enough
23:37:11 [AnthonyB] They may abduct, but (a) that's different (in Greek terms), and (b) there is very frequently temptation and seduction involved.
23:37:05 [jhandcock] Conveniently enough...
23:36:55 [mollyhalv] They seem to have a fine line between rape and determined courting.
23:36:53 [brittany] lol....
23:36:44 [jhandcock] Obviously, Athena decides to help Odysseus after all, but the curse is excessive.
23:36:30 [AnthonyB] Rape: remember that a lot of the time what the (male) gods do is seduce, rather than violate
23:36:17 [jhandcock] And why should this result in a curse upon all Greek warriors?
23:35:33 [msn] In the framework of greek myth., is rape actually a bad thing, when Zeus is a serial rapist?
23:34:50 [AnthonyB] And after that, the Greek leaders decided not to take any action against Ajax
23:34:21 [AnthonyB] ... and (2) sexual violation, and in the sanctuary of a virgin godess at that
23:33:42 [AnthonyB] Two offences (at least): violation of sanctuary (that is, the seeking of refuge in a god's place)
23:33:30 [brittany] commence curse!
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23:32:55 [AnthonyB] ... there Ajax dragged her off the statue base where C. had taken refuge, and raped her
23:32:10 [AnthonyB] [yes: Cassandra is daughter of Priam and Hecuba, sister of Hector and Paris - a prophetess who is gifted with perfect insight but whom no-one believes)
23:31:23 [brittany] aias?
23:31:18 [AnthonyB] ...went into the temple of Athena (the primary godess of troy) where Cassandra had taken refuge
23:31:08 [MaryEllen] I only know that from Shakespeare's play: Troilus and Cressida
23:30:57 [mollyhalv] Wasn't she the oracle nobody believed in?
23:30:44 [MaryEllen] Hector's sister
23:30:41 [hliu04] priam's daughter
23:30:40 [AnthonyB] OK: Ajax, a Greek warrior (not the famous Ajax, but another by the same name)...
23:30:18 [al] who was cassandra
23:30:13 [MaryEllen] Ok, I have some cliffs notes to cheat with, is that OK? Athena aranges for winds to blow Greeks off course because of attempted rape of cassandra in her temple
23:30:06 [AnthonyB] and hliu04...
23:29:47 [AnthonyB] Hey: MaryEllen has it - I just noticed!
23:29:45 [jenny_L] i think the Iliad mentioned.. violence in her temple?
23:29:32 [hliu04] was it cassandra who seek shelter in her temple and the Greeks kind of dragged her away
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23:29:05 [AnthonyB] ... keep going....
23:28:41 [brittany] did they not sacrifice to her after the war was over
23:28:31 [AnthonyB] OK, two of you are getting close...
23:28:30 [jenny_L] something happened at her temple i believe
23:28:19 [msn] I feel like the answer would be found in the Iliad, which I have not read through yet.
23:28:08 [jenny_L] didn't athena place the curse because the greeks disrespected her?
23:28:04 [brittany] rape?
23:27:56 [AnthonyB] [Small technical hint: if you want to see more than 20 lines or so on screen, enter /show number (where 'number is the number of lines you want to see).]
23:27:46 [MaryEllen] I we on Athena's initial curse because of the attempted rape in her temple
23:27:39 [jhandcock] because they did so.
23:27:27 [jhandcock] On the cause of the curse? I thought the curse was placed after the Greek army sacked the city.
23:27:11 [brittany] nope
23:26:43 [AnthonyB] Anyone got any other thoughts, recollections or suggestions on this one?
23:26:05 [AnthonyB] OK: let's take one thing at a time. The curse first.
23:25:59 [mollyhalv] I thought Zeus was her father, but Tyndareus raised her.
23:25:25 [AnthonyB] (He did, eventually.)
23:25:23 [dhaugen] Wait! you didnt answer the curse question
23:25:22 [brittany] but it was tyndareus who mad ethe desicion on who she would wed but he's not her father???
23:25:13 [AnthonyB] That curse: getting closer, but it wasn't not returning Hector's body.
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23:24:42 [AnthonyB] Well, we've got Zeus on the one hand and Tyndareus on the other...
23:24:37 [jenny_L] could it be that Helen's father really was Zeus.. only no one knew?
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23:24:16 [ilana] apollo
23:24:12 [AnthonyB] Welcome back, Laurent!
23:24:01 [ilana] i thought that was apollow and artemis
23:23:54 [AnthonyB] On Helen's father: think pairs/doublets/alternatives
23:23:14 [MaryEllen] Wasn't Leda (mortal woman) raped by Zeus disguised as a Swan and that results in twins, one of them was Helen?
23:23:12 [AnthonyB] al: Apollo's curse was done with. He sent the plague and they did then return his priest's daughter
23:23:08 [brittany] tendrius is helen's father right?
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23:22:37 [brittany] achilles not giving back hector's body to priam?
23:22:35 [jhandcock] But Agamemnon finally did.
23:22:27 [elance] didn't they claim credit for the victory instead of crediting the gods, so they were cursed?
23:22:26 [AnthonyB] Helen's father: good question! Who was he?
23:21:52 [al] they didn't give back the daughter of Apollo's priest after he asked Agamemnon for her
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23:21:27 [jenny_L] i heard somewhere that Helen's father was Zeus, but you seemed to mention a mortal father - who is her father?
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23:20:54 [AnthonyB] OK - the reason the Greeks were cursed by Athena was because of what they did when they took Troy... Anyone?
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23:20:10 [AnthonyB] Well, by the time Athena comes back into Odysseus' picture (which we witness in our Odyssey) he has already been ten years returning...
23:19:28 [brittany] they would either never make it home or find everythign to b in disarray
23:19:24 [AnthonyB] Those sacrifices are very serious - and can make all the difference.... - sometimes....
23:19:21 [al] because they slaughtered Helios sheep and goats
23:19:07 [brittany] u talked about that in lecture....
23:19:06 [dhaugen] The curse on the house of ATreus
23:18:59 [mollyhalv] So Athena curses everybody, then Poseidon curses Odysseus, then Athena takes back her curse?
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23:18:43 [AnthonyB] Why the Greeks were to be afflicted with long, late or terrible Returns?
23:18:38 [brittany] posidon's curse?
23:18:21 [brittany] so those sacrifices are no joke then hu?
23:18:13 [AnthonyB] The curse: anyone encounteres this yet?
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23:17:51 [AnthonyB] Watch out with these gods!
23:17:46 [jhandcock] polyphemos, or something of the sort
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23:17:32 [brittany] poseidons son was a cyclops
23:17:27 [AnthonyB] So Athena can be a great supporter of Odysseus individually, but that doesn't exempt him from her anger with the Greeks in general
23:17:00 [al] who was Poseidon's son
23:16:40 [al] no, sorry it was poseidon because Odysseus blinded the Cyclops
23:16:36 [AnthonyB] Brittany: good point. Note that we seem to have encountered an interesting characteristic of how the gods work already.
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23:16:30 [mollyhalv] I wanted to ask about that, too. Athena seems to favor Odysseus, so why curse him?
23:16:14 [Laurent] Hello everyone! Welcome to Classics 28 Chat room!
23:16:02 [al] didn't Apollo place the curse
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23:15:49 [jhandcock] Perhaps I simply haven't read enough. Any ideas?
23:15:48 [AnthonyB] Hmm... my last few entries haven't shown up.... sorry about that. I'm not really being silent.
23:15:43 [brittany] if Athena placesda curse on the army , then why is she shelping Odysseus?
23:15:23 [jhandcock] What is Athena's motivation for helping Odysseus and Telemachos?
23:15:18 [dhaugen] ----->also, Why is the curse placed to begin with?
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23:14:47 [jhandcock] In lecture, you mentioned that Athena placed the curse on the Greek army, but in The Odyssey it seems to be placed more on Zeus (this point was also mentioned in the intro.).
23:14:27 [ilana] what's the question on the odyssey?
23:14:21 [al] purple clothes, etc
23:14:03 [brittany] color purple?
23:13:55 [al] i know that it represented royalty for kings and queens in the middle ages, so it was interesting to see that theme come up in the literature
23:13:54 [msn] in the readings, I mean.
23:13:39 [msn] I'm finding it difficult to identify what exactly to take notes on.
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23:13:20 [AnthonyB] You'll notice that in the Reading Schedule I refer to 'visit and then revisit'. We'll want to do that quite a lot, and with each revisit it all becomes more familiar
23:13:18 [jhandcock] I do have one question regarding The Odyssey.
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23:13:16 [al] i found that the color purple came up often
23:13:07 [brittany] good*
23:13:01 [brittany] thats goos to know
23:12:44 [jhandcock] Whew!
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23:12:30 [jhandcock] Right.
23:12:29 [AnthonyB] but it does take a little while. And this is not a course where everything hangs on getting 1,000 names spelled right in the mid-term
23:11:57 [AnthonyB] How much to try to retain? Well.... obviously eventually we hope you'll be very familiar with the primary figures, themes etc.
23:11:54 [al] there's a lot of lineage
23:11:18 [jhandcock] For example, there are so many names and dates. Should we just try to get the general idea?
23:11:01 [AnthonyB] Tell us more about Catch Phrase (and Helen!)
23:10:55 [jhandcock] On the subject of those readings, how much of that information should we attempt to retain?
23:10:45 [brittany] ok
23:10:29 [jhandcock] It made my team's success a little sweeter!
23:10:27 [AnthonyB] There's quite an amount of reading in CM to get started, but after a while it accumulates
23:10:14 [jhandcock] It's one that I already knew vaguely, but it's exciting to know more.
23:09:59 [jhandcock] I played Catch Phrase with a group of friends in the dorms, and the clue was "Helen of Troy."
23:09:33 [AnthonyB] Good - I'll try to keep them corresponding
23:09:25 [wmshort] Hello, everyone.
23:09:17 [AnthonyB] Tell me/us about the trivia...
23:09:11 [msn] I like the format of the lectures and how they correspond with the reading.
23:09:08 [brittany] it took a while to get it
23:09:00 [AnthonyB] Hi, Bill! Welcome!
23:08:57 [brittany] a lot of reading in the CM book
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23:08:40 [jhandcock] Great for me. Some of the trivia has already come in handy.
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23:08:32 [al] a lot of reading
23:08:29 [sandybeach] its been interseting
23:08:28 [AnthonyB] Yes, rather like AIM, except we can do up to 60 or 70 at a go if we have to...
23:08:01 [AnthonyB] Just start in with anything you wish. How has this first week been?
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23:06:51 [mollyhalv] So is this like AIM?
23:06:33 [jhandcock] Is there any agenda for this meeting, or should we just start throwing out questions and comments?
23:06:23 [lanlan] okay
23:06:19 [AnthonyB] ....and you might want to check out the Query at bottom left (Help section).
23:06:05 [brittany] okie dokes!
23:05:51 [AnthonyB] Remember, if you get bumped off, or crash, just log back in...
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23:05:30 [ilana] thanks
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23:05:26 [ilana] ok
23:05:07 [AnthonyB] Ilana - go and fill in the little form (when you log in) and you can get one too!
23:05:05 [lanlan] yea, it is pretty easy to find
23:05:03 [ilana] the email reminder helped
23:05:01 [elance] yes
23:04:58 [jhandcock] No problems for me.
23:04:52 [mollyhalv] yep
23:04:40 [AnthonyB] Everyone managed to find their way here OK?
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23:04:11 [lanlan] hello every1
23:04:09 [kimmy145] hi
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23:03:10 [brittany] yea
23:03:06 [AnthonyB] Greetings, everyone! Welcome to our first chat....
23:02:57 [ilana] how did you guys get those faces next to your names?
23:02:44 [mollyhalv] too bad
23:02:40 >[AnthonyB] Welcome to our chat. Please obey the net etiquette while chatting: try to be pleasant and polite.
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23:02:32 [brittany] awww we lost 1
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23:01:30 [sandybeach] hi
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23:01:27 [jhandcock] hi all
23:01:21 [sandybeach] woo hoo
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23:01:06 [brittany] and the room is filling!
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23:00:41 [brittany] waiting i guess
23:00:34 [brittany] i dunno
23:00:20 [sandybeach] haah
23:00:17 [sandybeach] so...what are we supposed to be doing
23:00:07 [brittany] yo
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